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	<title>Comments on: Gen Y women – out of the workplace woods?</title>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://kontrary.com/2008/03/25/gen-y-women-%e2%80%93-out-of-the-workplace-woods/#comment-2486</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 14:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian: If it’s not blatant, take responsibility for your feelings and figure out why you feel the need to think that way…



lol, maybe Ian women feel this way because the sexism is still there...just not blatent.   Also a very poor try to put this back on the women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian: If it’s not blatant, take responsibility for your feelings and figure out why you feel the need to think that way…</p>
<p>lol, maybe Ian women feel this way because the sexism is still there&#8230;just not blatent.   Also a very poor try to put this back on the women.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://kontrary.com/2008/03/25/gen-y-women-%e2%80%93-out-of-the-workplace-woods/#comment-2485</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 14:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The goal of you&#039;re &quot;good friend&quot; Hercules was to intentionally put you down.    And he succeeded.  

It was just a bonus for him that the person giving you the compliment was also a woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The goal of you&#8217;re &#8220;good friend&#8221; Hercules was to intentionally put you down.    And he succeeded.  </p>
<p>It was just a bonus for him that the person giving you the compliment was also a woman.</p>
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		<title>By: brandi</title>
		<link>http://kontrary.com/2008/03/25/gen-y-women-%e2%80%93-out-of-the-workplace-woods/#comment-2484</link>
		<dc:creator>brandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 05:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kwang, go back to the cave from whence you came.</description>
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		<title>By: The Comment That Started it All</title>
		<link>http://kontrary.com/2008/03/25/gen-y-women-%e2%80%93-out-of-the-workplace-woods/#comment-2483</link>
		<dc:creator>The Comment That Started it All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] First off, what it is.  Casual Sexism is the unintentional sexism that results from assumptions about what people should be doing.  Men should build things and women be in the kitchen&#8230; except the not so obvious stuff.  Rebecca Thorman of Modite describes is as an undercurrent that just doesn’t feel right. [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] First off, what it is.  Casual Sexism is the unintentional sexism that results from assumptions about what people should be doing.  Men should build things and women be in the kitchen&#8230; except the not so obvious stuff.  Rebecca Thorman of Modite describes is as an undercurrent that just doesn’t feel right. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GenY Women in the Workplace: Gossip &#171; Heroes Rising</title>
		<link>http://kontrary.com/2008/03/25/gen-y-women-%e2%80%93-out-of-the-workplace-woods/#comment-2482</link>
		<dc:creator>GenY Women in the Workplace: Gossip &#171; Heroes Rising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] complexity that is marriage and motherhood. But these stories just don’t exist about being a woman in the workplace. We need to start telling those. [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] complexity that is marriage and motherhood. But these stories just don’t exist about being a woman in the workplace. We need to start telling those. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Career women should try harder – especially in the Midwest &#124; Modite</title>
		<link>http://kontrary.com/2008/03/25/gen-y-women-%e2%80%93-out-of-the-workplace-woods/#comment-2481</link>
		<dc:creator>Career women should try harder – especially in the Midwest &#124; Modite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sniffled and agreed, maybe he was right. But I need women to be stronger role models and more outspoken – whatever path they choose. I don’t want to be afraid of motherhood. And I don’t want to be [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sniffled and agreed, maybe he was right. But I need women to be stronger role models and more outspoken – whatever path they choose. I don’t want to be afraid of motherhood. And I don’t want to be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Don’t make career plans – here’s why &#124; Modite</title>
		<link>http://kontrary.com/2008/03/25/gen-y-women-%e2%80%93-out-of-the-workplace-woods/#comment-2480</link>
		<dc:creator>Don’t make career plans – here’s why &#124; Modite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 03:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] told a couple people about this craziness – my mother, Belle, Hercules. They all humored me while explaining in a good-natured way that I shouldn’t count on [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] told a couple people about this craziness – my mother, Belle, Hercules. They all humored me while explaining in a good-natured way that I shouldn’t count on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kwang</title>
		<link>http://kontrary.com/2008/03/25/gen-y-women-%e2%80%93-out-of-the-workplace-woods/#comment-2479</link>
		<dc:creator>Kwang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article shows some serious flaws about society.  I am a firm believer that women should be at home raising children and passing on their wisdom to the next generation.  It is very much in the nature of women to be caring and want to nurture others.  Those are aspects that are needed to raise children.  This article, and the post&#039;s afterwards seem to degrade the proffession of a homemaker.  

Being a homemaker is the most challenging proffesion out there in the world.  You have to master many skills that people in the workplace will pay top dollar for.  I heard a estimated figure that a homemaker would make over half a million dollars a year for all the skills that they have mastered.  However it seems that the author and the women that posted after seem to just overlook the homemaker as a outdated proffession.  Ask your grandmother how hard it is.  

The introduction of the working woman as the norm in society has caused a lot of problems.  First it makes the richer become richer and the poor to be more poorer.  When dual income familys became prevelent in the 80&#039;s manufacurers started to adjust their prices so they can get more of that money.  This causes a hording of money in certain sectors of society.  Here is a example, back in the 60&#039;s you could buy a nice home for under $10,000 a year, now the prices are much higher than that.  The average house in LA will be close to $750,000.  You can&#039;t tell me that the huge increase in price is soley due to inflation.  The price for the average ware is much greater than inflation increases as well.  Nowadays it is REQUIRED to have 2 incomes to support a VERY basic lifestyle.  Most people don&#039;t live that lifestyle because they overspend money they don&#039;t have, thus the credit crunch we are all feeling.  People are forced to spend money that they don&#039;t have to live in the same lifestyle they did 15 years ago.  They don&#039;t realize that it takes a 3rd and a 4th income to have that same lifestyle.  While this is a very simplistic breakdown of the &quot;growth&quot; of our economy, it does highlight a lot of the key points.

This also causes a new thought in women.  It makes them think that they can do everything that men can do.  Women seem to forget that they are women, and men are men.  Men since the begining of time has been the one to defend and provide for the home.  Now women are more bold about what they are doing, because they know that the income they provide is a necessity to keep the family unit going.  So they are more apt to going out and doing things that are wreckless to relationships.  Everyone thinks that men are the ones who are cheats and lie in relationship when in fact women are the one who cheat and lie in greater numbers in todays society.  

I know it seems like I am blaming women for the problems we see in society and todays economy, but trust me I am not.  I think men are much more at fault to allow this to happen in our society.  Too many of todays men wants to go out and please women when in fact they should be acting like men and taking the reigns become the man of the household again.  Todays man is too much of a pussy to do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article shows some serious flaws about society.  I am a firm believer that women should be at home raising children and passing on their wisdom to the next generation.  It is very much in the nature of women to be caring and want to nurture others.  Those are aspects that are needed to raise children.  This article, and the post&#8217;s afterwards seem to degrade the proffession of a homemaker.  </p>
<p>Being a homemaker is the most challenging proffesion out there in the world.  You have to master many skills that people in the workplace will pay top dollar for.  I heard a estimated figure that a homemaker would make over half a million dollars a year for all the skills that they have mastered.  However it seems that the author and the women that posted after seem to just overlook the homemaker as a outdated proffession.  Ask your grandmother how hard it is.  </p>
<p>The introduction of the working woman as the norm in society has caused a lot of problems.  First it makes the richer become richer and the poor to be more poorer.  When dual income familys became prevelent in the 80&#8242;s manufacurers started to adjust their prices so they can get more of that money.  This causes a hording of money in certain sectors of society.  Here is a example, back in the 60&#8242;s you could buy a nice home for under $10,000 a year, now the prices are much higher than that.  The average house in LA will be close to $750,000.  You can&#8217;t tell me that the huge increase in price is soley due to inflation.  The price for the average ware is much greater than inflation increases as well.  Nowadays it is REQUIRED to have 2 incomes to support a VERY basic lifestyle.  Most people don&#8217;t live that lifestyle because they overspend money they don&#8217;t have, thus the credit crunch we are all feeling.  People are forced to spend money that they don&#8217;t have to live in the same lifestyle they did 15 years ago.  They don&#8217;t realize that it takes a 3rd and a 4th income to have that same lifestyle.  While this is a very simplistic breakdown of the &#8220;growth&#8221; of our economy, it does highlight a lot of the key points.</p>
<p>This also causes a new thought in women.  It makes them think that they can do everything that men can do.  Women seem to forget that they are women, and men are men.  Men since the begining of time has been the one to defend and provide for the home.  Now women are more bold about what they are doing, because they know that the income they provide is a necessity to keep the family unit going.  So they are more apt to going out and doing things that are wreckless to relationships.  Everyone thinks that men are the ones who are cheats and lie in relationship when in fact women are the one who cheat and lie in greater numbers in todays society.  </p>
<p>I know it seems like I am blaming women for the problems we see in society and todays economy, but trust me I am not.  I think men are much more at fault to allow this to happen in our society.  Too many of todays men wants to go out and please women when in fact they should be acting like men and taking the reigns become the man of the household again.  Todays man is too much of a pussy to do this.</p>
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		<title>By: Milena</title>
		<link>http://kontrary.com/2008/03/25/gen-y-women-%e2%80%93-out-of-the-workplace-woods/#comment-2478</link>
		<dc:creator>Milena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“Being normal,” Hercules replied, “gets you a middle-class life in the suburbs. It’s fifth place, and you know you want to be in first.” All successful people then are understandably eccentric. They take risks that normal people wouldn’t.&lt;/i&gt;

I’m mildly insulted by Hercules’ premise.  In fact, I want to be middle class, live in the suburbs, have a successful marriage, successful career, and not lose my mind doing it.  To me, that is still “first place” if we’re labeling.

Hercules’ statement suggests an objective version of success in one’s life, career, or leadership style.  

I think success is whatever you define it as.  I end up quoting a good friend all the time, he is following a path to becoming a Catholic priest, and I’m certain he is going to change many lives.  He said, “How narrowly you define your success is how widely you define your failure.”  The definition of success is ever-changing and we should allow that kind of flexibility.  Stepping up and stepping down is part of the process, it’s not settling.  

Furthermore, I think any fool can drive themselves to eccentricity, if they work hard enough and sacrifice enough.  Far from being successful, in my eyes, this is a familiar model that I think is precisely why people want “normalcy” and balance.  And if that is a middle class existence in the suburbs, it’s not a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Being normal,” Hercules replied, “gets you a middle-class life in the suburbs. It’s fifth place, and you know you want to be in first.” All successful people then are understandably eccentric. They take risks that normal people wouldn’t.</i></p>
<p>I’m mildly insulted by Hercules’ premise.  In fact, I want to be middle class, live in the suburbs, have a successful marriage, successful career, and not lose my mind doing it.  To me, that is still “first place” if we’re labeling.</p>
<p>Hercules’ statement suggests an objective version of success in one’s life, career, or leadership style.  </p>
<p>I think success is whatever you define it as.  I end up quoting a good friend all the time, he is following a path to becoming a Catholic priest, and I’m certain he is going to change many lives.  He said, “How narrowly you define your success is how widely you define your failure.”  The definition of success is ever-changing and we should allow that kind of flexibility.  Stepping up and stepping down is part of the process, it’s not settling.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, I think any fool can drive themselves to eccentricity, if they work hard enough and sacrifice enough.  Far from being successful, in my eyes, this is a familiar model that I think is precisely why people want “normalcy” and balance.  And if that is a middle class existence in the suburbs, it’s not a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Priscilla</title>
		<link>http://kontrary.com/2008/03/25/gen-y-women-%e2%80%93-out-of-the-workplace-woods/#comment-2477</link>
		<dc:creator>Priscilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I&#039;m not the only one who feels this way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I&#8217;m not the only one who feels this way?</p>
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